Deep Time: Exploring Climate Change 90 Million Years Ago
Bob Whitby: Welcome to Short Talks From the Hill, a podcast from the University of Arkansas. I’m Bob Whitby, a science writer for the University. Today we’re talking to Celina Suarez, associate professor of geosciences. Suarez joined the university’s Department of Geosciences in 2012 and as far as we know is the only University of Arkansas faculty member to have a dinosaur named after them: Geminiraptor Suarezarum which she discovered while working on a dig in Utah with her identical twin sister. Her work focuses on using fossil geochemistry to construct ancient environmental conditions. Suarez and her colleagues recently received a grant from the National Science Foundation for research on how climate and tectonic changes influenced the evolution, distribution and extinction of land-based life 90 million years ago in the Late Cretaceous period. She also contributed to the Deep Carbon Observatory, a worldwide group of scientists studying the deep carbon cycle in the Earth. Welcome.
Celina Suarez: Thank you.
BW: Let’s start with your recent NSF grant. What are you studying, and why?
CS: So we know a lot about the Late Cretaceous. We know a lot about the diversity of the Late Cretaceous and the fossil record is really great. We know a lot about the Jurassic period, the Late Jurassic period. But this transition between the Late Jurassic to the Late Cretaceous it’s somewhat of a mystery, partially that is due to a lack of good geologic, chronologic constraint, time constraint of the sedimentary units there. And then part of it is people just really haven’t looked in the past at those two, at that specific transition period. So since the diversity in the Late Cretaceous is so extreme and the diversity in the Late Jurassic is so extreme, there’s been somewhat of a bias of paleontologists and geologists focused on those time periods. And so now what we’re trying to do is fill this gap between the latest Jurassic and the Late Cretaceous and what evolutionary change has happened. We know that there was emigration of fossil or different fossil groups or animal groups from age. We know there was connection between Europe and North America, and we know at a certain point about 90 million years ago that North America was split into two by rising sea level and complete closure of the Western Interior Seaway. So we’re interested in looking at how different tectonic and global climate changes occurred in this time period, what’s the record of it, how quickly did things change and how did that affect the evolution of all the different types of dinosaurs that you get into the Late Cretaceous.
BW: So it’s a five-year grant. What are the processes what do you have to do in those five years?
CS: For the University of Arkansas portion we’re mostly focused on generating our time scale, basically how old are all of the different sections of rocks that we’re going to be looking at from north to south, as well as focusing on the climate record. So my colleague Glenn Sharman here in the department will be focused on looking at detrital zircons geochronology and dating the little zircons that you get, that’s just a type of mineral that you get when you have volcanic eruptions. So we’ll be dating those minerals and then I’ll also myself will be focusing on the isotope records. So if you look at the carbon isotope record over time the global record shows these peaks and valleys related to changes in CO in the atmosphere. And so if we have somewhat time-constrained record of these carbon isotopes we can get a better idea of how we can correlate rocks, say in Texas, to rocks in Utah to rocks and Wyoming so that we’re comparing the same time period across the environment.
BW: There’s also a component of this looking at mass extinction of certain species. What does that have to do with this?
CS: Yes, so in the in the middle part of the Cretaceous there wasn’t exactly major mass extinctions but they were major fossil or animal turnovers, especially like in the micro vertebrate record, but also in the vertebrate record. And so what we’re trying to do is compare the climate change that happens. Where do you have big changes in temperature or changes in precipitation pattern? How well does that correlate to fossil turnover of animals?
BW: So the university has these fairly new facilities, the TRAIL lab and the stable isotope lab, and they’re going to be a big part of this research?
CS: Correct. Yes the trace element and radiogenic isotopes lab, which is an NSF funded, includes NSF funded equipment, is going to be heavily used in this project. All of the uranium lead dates we get from detrital zircons will be analyzed on the laser and the ICPMS that we have in TRAIL and the stable isotope lab has been continuing to update their mass spec facilities and the equipment that they have. And so we’re gonna be heavily using the stable isotope lab as well and probably be analyzing thousands of samples in both lab facilities, so you know the instrumentation facilities that the university has are going to be used pretty hard.
BW: Is that a unique capability that we have?
CS: Yeah not all universities have state-of-the-art isotope facilities and I think we’re really lucky to have that, otherwise, you know, we’d be either sending our students off somewhere else to be analyzing those samples or analyzing the samples elsewhere. And the nice advantage of this is, you know, the money that we got from NSF to do this work is going to be continued, basically flushed through the university because the money for those samples is going to the stable isotope lab, which goes to upkeep to the stable isotope equipment and improvements in the stable isotope lab, and just increases our standing as a research university.
BW: You recently published a paper on the role of catastrophic impacts to the earth and the role that they play in the carbon cycle. Tell us about those findings.
CS: The goal of the Deep Carbon Observatory was to focus on carbon on earthl where it is, how much is stored in the different reservoirs, and what are the fluxes between those reservoirs. So they were interested in constraining the amount of carbon from the core to the crust and the fluxes between all of those different reservoirs. Over the course of the 10 years one of the things that they were interested in us understanding is these time periods in Earth history, or that cycle is out of balance. And since I focus on this a lot in my research, most of my research is focused on these carbon perturbation events in Earth’s history, and we basically outlined over the course of this the steady-state flux and then we compared it to catastrophic events. And then it was only logical that we compare it to modern carbon flux into the atmosphere. And so what we have found is that the amount of carbon that is released to the atmosphere is a slight, or like a little bit, a little bit less than the amount of carbon likely released from the impact of the asteroid that hit in Mexico at the end of the Cretaceous, and also pretty much on par, as far as magnitude goes, of CO released to the atmosphere, the flux per year to these massive carbon-cycle perturbations that occurred during large igneous provinces. So like the big Great Dying, as everybody calls it, the major mass extinction at the end of the Permian, the flux of CO that we release to the atmosphere today is similar to the flux of CO released through the volcanism in Siberia that basically caused one of the largest mass extinctions in Earth history. So it’s a bit sobering.
BW: That doesn’t sound good.
CS: We’re very basically on par for, you know, these major catastrophic carbon perturbations.
BW: Is it safe to say that the carbon cycle is not in a steady state right now?
CS: In the short term, no. So one of the caveats we have when we look at these deep-time carbon perturbations is our geologic record is maybe on the order of about a thousand, tens of thousands of years. What has been happening in the recent past is in like two hundred years, for example, so extrapolating a record that is made, you know, no finer than about a thousand years to two hundred years is a little bit hard. However, when you think about the amount of carbon that has been burned and released to the atmosphere, and most of our carbon that we burn and release to the atmosphere like fossil fuels are ironically from the Cretaceous, probably because there was lots of carbon emitted into the atmosphere in the Cretaceous, and this is that record that has been buried as well as the Paleozoic about million years ago and that’s mostly a record of coal, we’ve burned almost all of that which has taken millions of years to form, in less than 200 years. So when you just think about the actual fluxes of carbon I would say we’re probably in a non-steady state. The consequences of that non-steady state can be debated. Natural scrubbing of CO from the atmosphere occurs from weathering of rocks and that happens over the course of about tens of thousands of years, the rate of CO removal from the atmosphere. So you know ten thousand years from now we may be back into the steady state.
BW: It’s gonna be awhile.
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